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The process of valuating a domain name with TRUE TYPE-IN traffic is relatively simple and involves just a bit of easy math.

TRUE TYPE-IN traffic is a naturally occurring pheonomina where people type the full domain name into their browser looking for a site that services what one would expect to find there. For example: autoparts.com, books.com, greenpaint.com, lamps.com, or yogurt.com. The traffic being represented as TRUE TYPE-IN should not come from links, advertising or even be remnant traffic from a previously existing site. By nature, domain names with true type-in traffic will be generic words or phrases.

A buyer might say "I can't see a domain name with 100 uniques a day being worth more than $5,000 US.". If they do say it, and they usually will, you need to be able to put some math in front of them to show that your pricing makes sense.

So, we take a domain that receives 100 TRUE TYPE-IN unique visitors per day. Consider that Overture.Com just raised their minimum bid to $0.10 per click. To acquire those 100 uniques visitors per day through Overture.Com advertising, it would cost 100 clicks times $0.10 per click, or $10.00 per day. To reign in that traffic for a full month, it would cost $10.00 per day for 30 days, or $300.00 total. Evaluating the traffic over 1 year yields a total of $3,600 and a two year valuation would be $7,200.

Further, consider that many site owners report visitors coming from TRUE TYPE-INs are worth 10 times more than visitor traffic coming from a search engine, advertising or other unnatural sources. Based on this additional value, you can add a multiple of anywhere from 1 to 10 over the direct cost of the traffic. For example, if 1 in 100 visits from a search on "books" yields a buyer while 1 in 10 visitors typing in "books.com" yields a buyer, the traffic to books.com produces a 10 time premium over other advertising.

The first set of math above assumes Overture.Com's mininum bid of $0.10 per click. Looking at a real-world example, to be #3 on Overture for the term "yogurt", the cost is $0.22 per click.

Yogurt.Com receives 1,400 per month. $0.22 per click for 1,400 clicks is $300 per month in traffic. Over the course one year, it would cost $3,600 and over two years it would cost $7,600. For this name, however, I'm looking for a multiple of 3.5 over a two year period. The multiple determination relates to the quality of the word and products associated with it. It is a purely generic term. If you ask for a price on Yogurt.Com, I'll tell you we're asking $27,000 US.

Again, I stress that this valuation only applies to TRUE TYPE-IN traffic. You can NOT create TRUE TYPE-IN traffic, it just occurs. The number of domain names with this type of traffic are limited! As they are developed into meaningful sites, they become more scarce, as such they more valuable in the rough to those looking to create a finished gem.

These type of domains are, for the most part .Com's. It is anyone's guess how long before any other extension begins to show even a small fraction of the true type-ins as .Com does. These type of domain names exist in nature alone... and that's that.

If the traffic is not from TRUE TYPE-IN, it is of significantly less value. At the very least, you can drop the multiple and the source of the traffic must be examined and researched. In many cases, doing your homework will show traffic for the domain is not targetted. Someone looking for visitors might as well just signup to receive them from one of them "you're a winner!" daily game sites.

By: Kenn Wagenheim, CEO, DictionaryOf.Com, Inc. mailto:kennw@dictionaryof.com http://www.DictionaryOf.Com/

New TLD Extension .Info is not nearly as good as some say...

Some non-profits pay their executives huge salaries, many of them earn millions per year. They have huge marketing budgets, bigger percentages than many for-profit companies. They can easily pay lots for good org names.

However, you seem to misunderstand the point. I was mainly referring to the value of dot-org's owned by for-profit firms, not nonprofitable charitable organizations.

Since the average person would rather deal with a firm which calls itself an Organization, not a Corporation, that fact alone can add amazing value to a company using the dot-org extension. This is especially so if they also market themselves as an Organization, not a Corporation.

If you want some unbiased details on a stock would you rather deal with StockMarket.org or StockMarket.com. Or commissions and brokerage data from Brokers Organization, or Brokers Corporation? If you wanted some help finding an architect would you prefer to contact Architects Organization or Architects Corporation.

The list of examples is endless, a firm (for-profit or non-profit) will almost always be better-off as far as public image goes using an Organization Name rather than be known as a Corporation. This is why dot-org is so valuable and will get more valuable in 2-yrs.

Agree, new dot-INFO TLD is out of the league of com net org!

Dot-Info is in the Minor Leagues. A firm would not want the dot-info extension to attract customers and their product orders, as like you said it denotes a source of FREE information and little more.

People going there will mostly be looking for information on a specific subject, and not to purchase a product or service.

Info is a marginal value extension. However, it's the best of the new ones ICANN approved, much better than dot-biz, a slang word as you pointed out, and not a very businesslike image for a website business.

Unfortunately, many are getting tricked into thinking dot-info is not only valuable but may even challenge dot-com. That is impossible and ridiculous to even think so.

The only reason many domain speculators are pumped-up on both Info and Biz (and New.net also), is all the marketing hype from the many registrars selling the new extensions to make lots of money, and for some to simply stay in business.

They have little choice but to hype them as dot-com registrations are dwindling fast due to the scarcity of good names, and also all the worthless .com names people are letting expire and no longer registering zillions of new (worthless) names.

A few years from now there will likely be thousands of extensions and people will look back and wonder why anyone believed Info, Biz and others were thought to be potentially valuable in the year 2001?

Info & Biz names, and almost all other extension names will be basically valueless due to a great degree to their dilution.

Only the well established and globally used Com Net Org & Web (if dot-web is approved) will have lasting value. Do you really think IBM wants to be known as IBM.info or IBM.biz? Do you think Business.com also wants to be called Business.info, or worse yet the terrible sounding Business.biz! Or About.com also referred to as About.info or About.biz?

All the Info/Biz marketing hype has managed to brainwash some domain buyers, just like New.net, WS and TV hype also did.

Please try to get over it and concentrate on getting Com Net Org and Web names, and importantly put them online quickly with active websites containing some reasonable content.

If you still want to sell them you can put an announcement or banner on the website saying the site is also for sale and inviting potential buyers to contact you.

Another advantage to active websites for your names is by having a website you may avoid some Bad Faith claims being used at WIPO to take names away from you, claiming as evidence of bad faith you only reg'd the name to sell it, not use it.

Plus, perhaps the best benefit, an operating website seems to enhance the perceived value of the name, even if it's a simple site.

Dot-Info and the new TLD Extensions are not that good!

You don't go into detail but I assume you mean Net and Org are out of Info's league as far as Net and Org being better than Info, right?

Of course, in my opinion this is so, especially Org which is far superior to Info.

Many Nets & Orgs are valuable but likely gone. . .

Unfortunately it seems most all of the good Net and Org names are gone. There is little of any value left for registration.

One primary reason net and org registrations are a fraction of dot-com is because of the millions of worthless names which are normally reg'd as dot-coms, whereas people think twice before registering a worthless net and org, due to the assumed lower value of the extension.

It is interesting to note that with certain names the dot-org version is sometimes worth more than the dot-com, depending on the type of name involved.

For example, Engineering.org (which sold for $198,000 at AN) seems to have a higher perceived value than Engineering.com, Charitable.org may be worth more than Charitable.com, Architects.org is better than Architects.com, etc.

Dot-Com will get more valuable as time goes by. . .

Very good posts by others here in rebuttal.

One Post said this "people are turning in their tired Dot-Coms because sales are slow and they're running out of money. Well, part of this phenomenon is due to the fact they registered thousands of crappy domains, and were hoping to get barrels of cash for useless, long, hyphenated, forgettable domains."

Reply: Actually I have observed a Long and/or Hyphenated Name is on average frequently a much better name than a short and stupid name, which short names are most all dumb, non-sensical and worthless.

At least with many long names an attempt is frequently made to target and identify an actual product, service, occupation, phrase, etc.

Also, I looked at your portfolio, and see you are very heavy into alternative TLD's and New.net names. Are you biased due to that and could this fact be the reason you are saying dot-com has seen its heyday?

I strongly disagree and feel as more and more new extensions come out they will seriously dilute each other to the benefit of dot-com, and also benefiting .net and .org to a degree.

The only new TLD which has a good chance of approaching the popularity of Com, Net, and Org is dot-Web, if and when it is approved as a new top-level TLD by ICANN.

Incorrect Assessment claimed on V8.com name

You said: "V8.com is one of the worlds best possible domain names. Two letters. Spelled as sounding. Generic commercial. V8 auto engines multi-billion enterprise. V8 juice cant trademark against V8 engines. it looks like the low bids were attempts to steal the name, the high bids wanted the value. this name may be worth a million plus."

It's an extremely difficulty name to appraise. You may be right, it's possible I undervalued V8.com when I estimated its value in the $3,000 to $8,000 range, but I will stick with the valuation.

You also seem to think it may be worth millions based on the V8 engine market being so huge. The problem is how could a website devoted to V8 Engines be commercially viable to justify paying lots of money for the domain?

One of the reasons 99.7% of the names listed for sale are worthless is the name may not be applicable commercially to justify spending lots of money buying it and developing a website around the name. Granted, this name is better than 99% of the names listed for sale here but it still has questionable value as far as it being worth much more than the high 4 figures.

People buy new V8 engines with the car they buy from the local auto dealer. If looking for a rebuilt V8 engine or parts they go thru a local auto parts store, repair shop or junk yard, not thru a website.

Suspect bidding and sale of V8.com. . .

A number of times I have seen odd bidding patterns and unusual bid amounts on various names here which eventually sell for a very good price. Here is an example regarding V8.com, which sold July 31 for $94,500 according to Afternic.

First let me try to appraise the names value, a difficult and non-scientific job. On the surface it seems great since it's a 2 character dot-com, but wait - it's a letter and number combo name, something which seriously drags down values.

Also, V8 sounds good, i.e. V8 Engine or V8 Vegetable Juice! But wait again, there would seem to be quite limited commercial use for a website regarding V8 engines.

Also, there's a good possibility the V8 Juice Company could always file a WIPO complaint on the name claiming it's part of their Trademark, which it obviously is. In fact, they may even have a TM on the word V8 itself, which I have not checked.

Keep in mind, even a part of a domain being a trademark is a valid and common reason for "SWIPO" to award a name to the TM holder.

They have done it many times, especially if the website involves a similar or related type of business. Even if it's a different business they could still award it but it becomes more difficult but still has happened a number of times.

Also, keep in mind the fact it was listed for sale proves so called "Bad Faith," reason enough to take the name away, as they have done many times by using the term Bad Faith in many if not most of the cases. (P.S. This is exactly why I have no names listed here!)

Also note how the bidding pattern went from $4,000 to a huge jump to $90,000 and with a few months of no activity taking place at all. It would seem all the bids under $4,000 are not suspect in any way and are very likely 100% legitimate.

Doesn't it seem odd the buyer suddenly went that high without first bidding say $5,000 and then slowly progressing up?

Plus, notice how (name withheld) was involved, someone who has been accused of phoney auctions or false bids in the past.

Plus, is it not weird a buyer would risk so much money when the 2 most obvious uses are a dubious commercial value auto engine site, or a possible trademark issue?

My own opinion of value (which may not be accurate) would be somewhere between $3,000 to as much as $8,000, but importantly only of one wants to assume a fair degree of risk with this name.

I have seen seemingly strange auctions like this many times. And No, I am not accusing them of a phoney auction or talking negatively about anyone mentioned. The sale could have been legitimate. I am merely saying it was odd and suspect in many ways and pointing out some facts and obvious issues.

The bidding history is below:

Offer History - Date Member Offer

07/31/01 Sold for $94,500 Buyer CA
07/25/01 20:16:33 CA $90,000
05/06/01 22:39:53 D $4,000
04/26/01 12:39:26 D $3,745
02/08/01 22:40:45 J $3,570
02/04/01 09:52:39 c $3,400
01/20/01 22:15:01 J $3,240
01/20/01 16:16:16 c $3,090
12/30/00 18:34:46 c $2,945
12/29/00 20:21:44 n $2,805
12/29/00 17:20:43 c $2,675
12/29/00 17:10:09 9 $2,550
12/29/00 16:44:08 n $2,430
12/28/00 20:20:10 c $2,315
12/28/00 17:12:35 s $2,205
12/24/00 11:28:00 c $2,100
11/20/00 12:34:37 J $2,000
11/19/00 22:59:08 k $1,460
11/19/00 10:23:32 J $1,395
11/18/00 10:07:58 c $1,330
11/18/00 08:16:03 j $1,270
11/17/00 20:56:38 a $1,210
11/11/00 17:52:03 a $1,155
11/11/00 08:31:49 c $1,100
11/05/00 01:15:43 f $1,000.

Allfordomains.com promo attempts are alleged fraud

Many promotional posts made at the Newsgroup Forum. This has been going on for a long time with Members using different names trying to promote the resale site.

It is alleged this is mostly all bogus and merely attempts by certain parties to falsely promote them, likely they are affiliated with the website or owner in some way.

It is also alleged the website is also fraudulent and should be investigated by the FTC and local authorities for Fraud. Take a look at their obviously made-up incredibly false webpage -

It is the most fraudulent BS listings of bids I have ever seen. Can you imagine in your wildest dreams those Current Bids being real, even one of them. Obvious and blatant fraud in an attempt to get you to do business with them!

The Domain Resale Firms Member Survey Results are hard to believe!

The newest Domain Newsletter survey results just arrived with interesting results, some of the statistics for many questions would seem to be fairly accurate.

However, several results are very suspect and odd, for example:

"40% consider international relations before investing in specific ccTLDs." - This is very hard to believe. Most people here probably do not even know where those tiny island nations are located who are behind many Country Code names like TV, CC, NU, WS, etc. Does the US even have any so called "international relations" with these insignificant sparsely populated islands?

"28% own foreign translations of their best names." - Also, extremely difficult to believe. Perhaps major corporations may sometimes do this (even then I doubt if it would be anywhere near 28%), but the average person at AN doing this to such a large degree as 28% is impossible to believe.

"39% own a New.net name." - Again, very difficult to believe that 4 of 10 already own a New.net name.

"Only 26% have been involved in a UDRP case and slightly more than half won their cases." - Why are they using the word "only?" 26% would actually be an incredibly high percentage of AN Members! In addition, why would Members be so successful at winning their Dispute Policy cases with over 50% wins, when according to ICANN statistics 80% of the cases are lost by the defendants.

This Member Survey must be seriously flawed and highly suspect and I am certain many results like these are grossly inaccurate.

Sorry to say, the Survey Results on the questions listed above (and likely others also) are probably worthless just like most of the names listed for sale at this name resale firm!

Why is YouR2000.com your best domain?

I don't get it and see no obvious significance or meaning to this name.

What in the world does it mean? Is it perhaps merely a stale dated and made-up word?

Also, if the 2000 part stands for the year 2000 as it appears, how could it be worth anything when the year is now 2001, not 2000. Please explain.

Branding Names is not easy and costs a lot. . .

Yes, th Domain Resale Firm succeeded by spending zillions branding their non-type-in but catchy brandable name.

Very few of us can afford to do that and most firms don't want to do so due to the dot-com collapse.

You can do so too but lots of effort and likely money will be required to succeed big time.

About your Yahoo email account. Problem is everyone will think it's merely a free email account. No one will realize it's a paid account there, not that paying a token $20-Yr for it makes much difference anyway.

Also, I don't know why you think domain based email accounts are limited in size. I have never heard of that before. My ones have no volume or size limits at all that I am aware of, and I have many email accounts based on my website names.

Where does member H get all the neat graphics, etc?

Hi H, I looked at a number of webpages you have online for many of your domains and have 2 questions I hope you would be so kind answering.

I know you have zillions of domains and seem to have thousands of them already active and online. They all seem to have an interesting and captivating graphic image which I feel adds greatly to the webpage.

Would you please explain where you get your graphics from? Is it a free-gif website or a paid subscription on CD, etc?

Also, in the past I think you said you have your domains online at low cost using your own Dedicated Server. I too have a dedicated Cobalt Server but it appears to have a limit of only 250 domains and costs more than $350-Mo.

If you have several thousand activated names it would seem like the cost of the several dedicated servers required would be cost-prohibitive. To activate all 1000 plus domains I have would cost me at least $1,400-Mo based on the capacity of my RaQ Dedicated Server.

Even though it is amazingly low-priced and insignificant $1.40-Mo per name, it still adds up to lots of money due to the large numbers involved. Do you have a Server with greater capacity than mine or multiple servers, perhaps priced lower?

Thanks for taking the time to explain!

By the way, both you and the owner of David-Carter.com I feel are among the very few members here who are using the correct approach at marketing their names/websites. Keep up the good work.

More questions regarding your setup, etc. . .

Thanks for all the info.

It seems odd the Apple Server can have more than 8000 websites but the Cobalt only 250. Wonder why such a huge difference in capacity?

Also, how does the Apple Server you use compare cost wise to my Cobalt at $350-Mo. Is it located at a Hosting Firm who also maintains and supports it?

Also, what is the advantage of a T1 line compared to FTP and a Cable Modem? How much is a T1 compared to a $60-Mo High Speed Cable Connection?

Is your Webmaster for hire who can write code for me to change many web-pages easily, etc., and do other jobs?

It takes me forever doing each one manually using FTP even though I only have little more than 100 active sites.

Sorry, I am very confused when you said in addition to possibly letting others use your software and server you also may offer email and web hosting of pages.

Isn't email and hosting included if someone is using your Server? It seems like they go hand-in-hand and would be part of using the software and server. Please explain.

Long domain names with Keywords are valuable. . .

Sorry, you are wrong when you said This concept, that lengthy domain names that include lots of keywords will help sites get well indexed in search engines, seems to be one of the "urban legends."

I have proof in that I have many domains with keyword rich names but only 1 or 2 pages of content which rank higher with the search engines than other much bigger sites.

If the domain name matches the search request words some SE's factor it heavily into their rankings. At one time several SE's highlighted the search words found on the page, though they do not seem to do that now. At that time the domain name itself was the first thing they highlighted, even before the content.

I also have had as many as 8 of the first 10 positions for some popular industry specific search terms because I had 8 different domains all containing the same search words.

I think my record was 15 of the first 20 positions for one common industry specific search term, mostly based on the 15 different domain names boosting the rankings of those 15 sites, believed to be by virtue of the keyword names and little more.

You also said this "there's absolutely no need to register some lengthy contorted domain in an effort to try to spamdex the search engines." I do not have these keyword names and websites to spam the search engines in any way as each site has relevant and valuable content based on whatever domain name it is.

Plus you said it will work just as well to use a name with another name in front of the main domain name and used this example: stupidsequenceofdumbasskeywords.yourdomain.com

I do not believe that is correct as I am fairly certain the search engines (and also web-surfers) pay much less attention and place far less importance to third-level domains than second-level ones.

Third-level domains would also seem to not be able to get any type-in traffic at all, a big disadvantage.

How will your 125 domain word names get traffic?

Hi R, I posted this before but never received a reply.

"I see you have 125 domain type of names, many with the word domain as part of the name. Sorry but I believe most of them are not that good as far as any type-in potential goes or their name increasing the search engine ranking by virtue of real keywords."

Therefore, I can't see them getting too many hits from websurfers.

The obvious question is how will having these 125 domains help others market and sell our domains when the traffic from all 125 names would seem to be very limited?

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what your business plan entails or not grasping fully what you are doing with all those domain related names.

P.S. As some one else also said here, you would have some more credibility if you used a domain-based email address of your own rather than a free Yahoo account.

Short is Not Really That Sweet as you said. . .

There are very few short names with great value compared to the many long names with some value. Would you rather own a stupid but short name, or a long name but a real name with real keywords used in the name?

A long name which is a real term or real words can easily bring you valuable free type-in traffic and also greater search engine ranking.

A non-real made-up short name will bring you nothing of real value other than you being able to say you own a short name.

I would rather own a 40 character (but actual phrase and words) long domain name than a 4 or 5 character made-up stupid short name.

The long but real name will bring me business but the short name will not. That's a fact, though many of you I am sure will not admit this.

This is why more than 90% of the names listed here are worthless, too much BS about the value of short names so everyone registers those stupid, non-sensical, non-real short names since all the good short names are long gone.

What in the world does planetthumbs.com mean?

I agree with Mr. J., you should only register names with obvious commercial value.

Isn't Planetthumbs a made-up word? Why did you register this odd name in the first place, surely there was a reason for it?

Unless I am missing something with this name it would seem to be worthless.

It's a very unique and interesting concept..

However, I am wondering if it's effective since this approach seems to target end-sales of products and services advertised on a site to other website owners, not the general public.

Assuming the hits increase it still seems website owners would likely be much less likely to buy products from the other websites which come up as the default site in their browser.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding this. If so, please explain.

Dot Org Names are way under-valued. . .

You said "As long as someone is drawing a salary it is not non- profit. . . dot.org could be even more valuable because they can be used for profit if you had them registered before new rules!"

This has been mentioned before but few here seem to realize the great intrinsic value of dot-org, especially if in 2-yrs it's only allowed for non-profit organizations and all the old for-profit org names are grandfathered-in, a likely scenario.

Because the extension is ORG it denotes confidence and trustworthiness. A very valuable identity to a For-Profit Firm! This provides significant value to the .Org extension and likely much greater value in a few years.

Also, Non-Profit Organizations usually pay their Officers and Employees extremely well. Someone here said non-profits can't afford to buy domain names. Perhaps very small non-profits can't but most all mid-size and large ones have huge employee and marketing, advertising budgets, much greater percentage wise than many for-profit firms.

As you may know, a very small percentage of revenue goes to actual charitable work. I have heard typically over 90% of a non-profits income goes to high salary and promotional expenses, with the charity getting very little, sometimes as low as 2% or so!

The problem is most all good .org names are already taken with very little left of value.

It's a very unique and interesting concept you propose...

However, I am wondering if it's effective since this approach seems to target end-sales of products and services advertised on a site to other website owners, not the general public.

Assuming the hits increase it still seems website owners would likely be much less likely to buy products from the other websites which come up as the default site in their browser.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding this. If so, please explain.

Dot Org Names are way under-valued. . .

You said "As long as someone is drawing a salary it is not non- profit . . . dot.org could be even more valuable because they can be used for profit if you had them registered before new rules!"

Actually, I must correct you. What you said is not correct. Some of the biggest Non-Profits pay their executives zillions of dollars and they are still non-profit.

What you refer to re the value of dot-org has been mentioned before but few here seem to realize the great intrinsic value of dot-org, especially if in 2-yrs it's only allowed for non-profit organizations and all the old for-profit org names are grandfathered-in, a likely scenario.

Because the extension is ORG it denotes confidence and trustworthiness. A very valuable identity to a For-Profit Firm! This provides significant value to the .Org extension and likely much greater value in a few years.

Also, Non-Profit Organizations usually pay their Officers and Employees extremely well. Someone here said non-profits can't afford to buy domain names. Perhaps very small non-profits can't but most all mid-size and large ones have huge employee and marketing, advertising budgets, much greater percentage wise than many for-profit firms.

As you may know, a very small percentage of revenue goes to actual charitable work. I have heard typically over 90% of a non-profits income goes to high salary and promotional expenses, with the charity getting very little, sometimes as low as 2% or so!

The problem is most all good .org names are already taken with very little left of value.

Didgy.com is merely a made-up word. . .

and the figment of someone's imagination. As such it's basically worthless since there are zillions of similar alternative names available for registration.

Most all made-up names for Branding purposes are of very dubious, if any, real value.

Your strategy is an excellent approach. . .

However, win-rar.com likely has all those searches done to a large degree attributable to WinRar.com (without the hyphen), an operating website selling software and owned by a Korean firm since 1998 when the name winrar.com was first reg'd.

The issue is the fact websurfers do not use hyphens when typing a name into their Browser Window or a Search Engine. So how valuable are all those searches done for it when your domain has a hyphen?

In other words, how would your name be able to take advantage of all those hits which would seem to go to winrar.com, not win-rar.com? How less valuable is a hyphenated name compared to the non-hyphenated one?

Your method of finding this very good name. . .

and the way you are promoting is an excellent way to do it. More AN Members should do this if they want to achieve success.

I am jealous about not finding a name of that caliber myself lately. You may be right about it attracting lots of traffic as it's believed a hyphenated name will rank better at the search engines than the non-hyphen version. However the non-hyphen one will get the Browser Type-In traffic. It could possibly be a wash. If it is a wash then the hyphen names are way undervalued!

Most people just register any type of non-real and non-researched name and try to sell it for zillions without realizing it will never sell for any amount, let alone their high price expectations. Also, not too many here seem to appreciate the value of hyphenated names.

Do you have many other success stories in finding excellent potential names like win-rar.com?

WEB proposed top level TLD is great!

I strongly disagree with you on the WEB extension not being good. You say Web is redundant. Isn't Net redundant yet it is still popular. However, .Web is far better then .Net.

Affilias and NetSol were very upset in not getting it allocated to them at ICANN meetings.

It is my opinion Dot-Web once approved will quickly be the 2^nd most popular and valuable extension. I predict COM, then WEB, next ORG and next NET, with all other extensions far behind and most of little value, especially most country codes names.

That's right, .Web and .Org should be #2 and #3! Dot-Org is a real sleeper but once it is in fact limited to Charitable Organizations only you will see its value go up, especially if non-charitable names are all Grandfathered in, as expected.

What better word denotes the Internet more than Web?

I personally have pre-reg'd over 80 great dot-webs, excellent real-names, words and terms. But hurry they are going fast with most good one-worders being taken and many 2 word names even gone.

No I am not connected with Image Online and the Web TLD other than believing the .Web domains will be quite valuable one day, if and when it is approved as a TLD.

Proposed .WEB is great as is .ORG

I strongly disagree regarding a post on the .WEB extension not being good. It said .Web is redundant. Isn't Net redundant yet it is still popular. However, .Web is far better then .Net.

Affilias and NetSol were very upset in not getting it allocated to them at ICANN meetings.

It is my opinion Dot-Web once approved will quickly be the 2^nd most popular and valuable extension. I predict COM, then WEB, next ORG and next NET, with all other extensions far behind and most of little value, especially most country codes names.

That's right, .Web and .Org should be #2 and #3! Dot-Org is a real sleeper but once it is in fact limited to Charitable Organizations only you will see its value go up, especially if non-charitable names are all Grandfathered in, as expected.

What better word denotes the Internet more than Web? What word means an Organization better than Org? (non-profit, or a regular corporation type organization).

I personally have pre-reg'd over 80 great dot-webs, excellent real-names, words and terms. But hurry they are going fast with most good one-worders being taken and many 2 word names even gone.

No I am not connected with Image Online and the Web TLD other than believing the .Web domains will be quite valuable one day, if and when it is approved as a TLD.

NetworkSolutions/VeriSign poorly run!

If an amazingly poorly operated place like Net Sol was worth 19 Billion can you imagine the value if they were more competent and had better relations with their clients!

Network Solutions/Verisign is totally screwed-up. I get emails about renewals and other stuff on names I switched to a more competent and much lower priced registrar ages ago.

Just today I got another email regarding a domain I moved (after a struggle) to another firm 2 mos ago. How can their data base be that far behind when it should be online in real-time? They are so incompetent it's hard to put it in writing.

They are also very worried due to losing so much business every day to better and lower-cost registrars. They deliberately make it as complex and difficult as possible hoping to frustrate so much you will give up on the transfer.

Guess what, it works! After trying to transfer my best name for 4-mos with no success I have thrown in the towel and regretfully am forced to leave the name at NetSol.

Voice Activated, Voice Registry, Voice Command

You said "names which are more descriptive to the language will over-ride all abbreviated and non-descriptive names."

Yes, not just for the Voice Command names you refer to but also very true with basically all types of names, and something I have been saying for a long time.

It is amazing how few realize this here as they keep on registering non-real, abbreviated, made-up and non-descriptive worthless domains.

By the way, I have not checked thoroughly but I believe the best voice activated names are all gone. Do you know of any prime examples, or better yet ones still available for registering?

However, I understand if you want to keep this to yourself.

Another among zillions of made-up names.

Sorry, the name StockPercent.com seems to be worthless.

Great idea, showing how ways a name may be used

An excellent post and idea which should be used by others with either brandable or real-names. Using the domain name as a basis of a story, show, entertainment or educational property, news, book, etc. has great merit and may turn a marginal or worthless name into a name with significant value. This is especially so if it is developed and made live and sent to the search engines, etc.

A number & abbreviation make it far less desirable

Sorry to disappoint you, but people writing at AN about your name 1stDown.com may be under the mistaken belief the name is FirstDown.com, a much more valuable name.

Normally names containing a combination of letters and numbers are worth much less than all letters. This is especially so if the number part of the name also is an abbreviation, a double negative, such as your name 1^st.

Most people if they hear this name and then type it into their browser will type the name as firstdown, not 1stdown. This makes it much less desirable.

You are contributing to the confusion by you saying "I agree with radios concerning firstdown," spelling it without the 1^st yourself to make it seem more valuable than it really is.

The market for Brandable Names is very limited. . .

You said ". . .AltaVista, Google, Ebay, Goto, and millions of other so called brandable names are up and trading better than industry specific worded names."

That is correct and you also made some valid points to a degree and yes large places like the ones you mentioned prefer an non-real but highly brandable name over a generic one as it is better for their corporate identity and uniqueness.

But you overlooked the fact there are very few firms with lots of start-up and venture capital money like the ones you mentioned who want to or are able to spend zillions of dollars branding a non-real name. It takes huge marketing and promotional expenses to successfully brand a name.

With the dot-com stock collapse and corporate layoffs there are even fewer firms wanting to brand a name now than a few years ago, far fewer.

Actual and real-names using real-words, phrases and real-terms can bring a website instant business via type-in traffic and also better search engine rankings, whereas brandable names are of little if any value for that.

Keyword rich domains may also be used to redirect traffic to a firms main website, which may in fact be a brandable name. In fact, many large web companies have acquired a number of real names and use them mostly for targeted traffic purposes or to redirect traffic to their primary website.

The resale market and number of potential buyers out there for keyword domains is zillions of times greater than the very small resale market for so called brandable names, which are extremely difficult to sell no matter how "good" they seem to be.

Your buyer may easily locate an alternative name. . .

I forgot to mention the very important point that alternative Brandable Names may easily be found and registered. Other posters here have also mentioned this fact.

Almost any brandable name can be substituted extremely easily by a very minor change to the name, perhaps a one or two letter small variation which may even end-up sounding better than the original name.

It is extremely easy to locate small variations of a name. In fact some registrars like www.BuyDomains.com have a feature built into their software where it automatically suggests many variations if a name searched for is already taken.

Visit BuyDomains (and some others who offer it) trying to register a name already taken. You will be surprised to see some of the many variations they suggest are actually better sounding than the name you wanted!

This is still another big reason non-real names are so incredibly difficult to sell. If you are lucky and someone inquires about a name they may quickly discover a good alternative name which they like as much or even better than the original name.

This is especially so once they see its only $16 or less compared to the many hundreds or thousands of dollars you want for your brandable non-real name.

However, actual real-terms and real-names can not easily be substituted for by an alternative name as a real word becomes a non-real word if the letters are changed, even one letter.

Explain the value of your Domain Supermarket. . .

I see you have 125 domain type of names, many with the word domain as part of the name. Sorry but I believe most of them are not that good as far as any type-in potential goes or their name increasing the search engine ranking by virtue of real keywords.

Therefore, I can't see them getting too many hits from websurfers.

The obvious question is how will having these 125 domains help others market and sell our domains when the traffic from all 125 names would seem to be very limited?

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what your business plan entails or not grasping fully what you are doing with all those domain related names.

Some AN members are not good with computers. . .

Difficult was the wrong word I used, what was meant was simply it's not as easy as it could be by clicking on a mailto: link.

Agree with you and yes copying email addresses is very minor thing for myself and many others. However, there are people out there who are poor with computers and to them it may be somewhat difficult.

For everyone it is certainly more "difficult" than clicking on an email link.

Amazingly, I have spoken to some people who do not even know how to Copy and Paste.

Agree, Domain Wanted Ads are very suspect. . .

Yes, there is something highly suspicious and odd about the AN Domain Wanted Ads. Like you, I replied dozens of times with good names, sometimes much better names than they mentioned in their ad and no (high) asking prices, just make an offer requests.

Net results zero, and not even the courtesy of one reply or thank you note. Isn't that odd? Many others here have said the same thing so its not just me.

I don't want to make accusations about this without real evidence but it certainly is extremely suspect. I am not talking just about the lack of sales to them, but mostly regarding the fact not one person ever replies to anyone who offers a name. Very odd! Any ideas why??

Saying people know what it means is absurd. . .

You said - "Anybody that hunts, fishes, is in the army, is in hiking, outdoor sports & gear knows what Camo means. It's short for camouflage."

That's ridiculous, I doubt if 1 out of a 100,000 outdoor sports people (or 1 in a million of non-outdoor sports people) would realize that about icamo.com without first "reminding" them that is so.

It's merely another made-up non-real and valueless name. Without the i in front it may have some minor value for branding purposes but even then its value would be limited.

In fact there is a live site Camo.com and it has nothing to do with Camouflage but something about consumer trends and data analysis, etc.

NSI allows impersonation fraud, etc.

Same recent experiences with me. I have received many renewal emails from an apparent NSI Affiliate. They pretend they are NSI and even their send from and return to addresses are cleverly disguised to make it seem like the email are from NSI. They actually use the name NetworkSolutions as the sender when in fact it was not from NSI.

This is blatant misrepresentation and fraud. It's done for the fraudulent firm to get NSI's renewal business by pretending they are in fact NSI and using NSI's well known name to get the renewals themselves.

Isn't it amazing NSI allows this to happen! Not only do they allow it, they also seem to condone it also by doing business with the fraudulent firm. Complaints should be sent to both ICANN and the Federal Trade Commission.

Also, regarding the fact NSI computer records are amazingly out of date. I get renewal notices from NSI (the real NSI/Verisign)all the time showing names they say are due or past due for renewal when they were actually renewed many weeks prior to the date of the NSI renewal notices.

In fact, I get NSI notices on some names which were transferred to my Tucows Registrars ages ago and NSI is not even the registrar of the name. How in the world can a once great and prestigious leading firm like NSI/Verisign be so amazingly screwed-up?

Stay away from Registrars who charge extra fees!

Excellent idea. As you know, most all registrars do NOT charge a fee to transfer a UK name to a different registrar if they are the losing registrar but one of the largest ones, EasySpace.com based in the UK does. Easyspace advertises heavily and is a well known registrar of both UK and US extensions, plus others.

After a great deal of time and difficulty and zillions of emails re transferring some of my UK names to another registrar they finally informed me there is a fee of $35.00 per domain name to change the ISP Tags!

With such a high fee it negates the fact the original registration fee was low and reasonable and results in the overall cost being much higher than if I would have registered the names at a more costly firm in the first place.

I understand ICANN does not allow such fees for com net and org names but EasySpace claims they are allowed by Nominet on UK names. EasySpace is doing this for 2 reasons, to bring in income with little or no expense, and to also persuade people to not move to a new registrar due to the high cost involved.

This is wrong and needs to be stopped. We have asked Nominet to get involved and change the ISP Tags on our behalf without charge but not sure if they will do it but have been told they will.

Some registrars impose other fees such as we have heard GoDaddy charges substantial fee for ownership transfers. That more than offsets the low register fee they originally offer. This is something few are aware of.

It is best if you register your names thru a Tucows Affiliate who does not impose additional fees and whose basic registering fee is reasonable also.

Not only will you save money on many names but also avoid lots of annoyance and hassle in dealing with places like EasySpace.

We also suggest you stay away from EasySpace. Not only do they charge substantial fees for certain services which many others do not charge, they also have very poor customer support. In the past they have ignored many of our emails about various subjects or if they did reply, the reply was frequently worthless. It is also next to impossible to contact them via phone.

You must be joking by trying to sell BlizzardShop.com. . .

. . .that's because who would be stupid enough to buy a name the owner said was worthless and he wasted his money buying it in his post about the name being listed for sale?

Sorry, don't expect much response. . .

You probably won't get much help here as these forums and chat-room participation level (except for occasional newbies like you looking for high appraisals) is down significantly since its peak 1-½ yrs ago.

Good luck getting 500 sales from listings there!

You said you expect 500 domain name sales! Good luck! Afternic is reported to have only sold less than 2000 names since they started and that's out of over 1 million listings, and also with likely over a million hits a day at their very high traffic well known site.

How does KingdomCome.com get traffic to its site and how much? How did you manage to get inquiries so fast? Are you the owner of that site or connected with it?

Appraise: MauiHeliTours.com. Sorry, it's a non-real term. . .

. . .but at first glance it sounds OK but then you quickly realize "heli" is a made-up non-real word.

Therefore the name will get zero type-in traffic, and to make things worse its name will also not help its potential search engine ranking. Whereas, real-names using real keywords are believed to help SE ranking at some of the search firms.

Sorry, the name has no obvious value unless to a business operating under that exact name and they want to buy it, or possible branding value, which is a very dubious value.

Member Contacts are a great idea but. . .

. . . it is believed this resale firm does NOT really want the members to communicate with each other for various reasons of benefit to them. This is the reason email addresses of members are not listed, or the option of listing them is not offered anywhere.

If a member does (manually) type-in their email address somewhere, like in a Post, it is not programmed as a mailto: clickable-link (though that could easily be done). That makes it not very easy to use, other than a difficult copy & paste operation into your email program.

Why has member participation declined?

I have noticed a surprising drop-off in the number of overall Posts made to the various Domain Name Forums lately. Anyone know why?

Also, a big drop in the Chat Room. I recall approximately' 1 to 2 yrs ago there were normally from 40 to 60 chatters each evening at its peak, now it's down to from 10 to 20 on average. Anyone know why?

In fact, most of the talk in Chat is BS among the few chatters there (last night mid-evening only 12 there). It also frequently does not revolve around domains at all but lots of childish nonsense and crap. That's why I don't go there much anymore.

Am I the only one here giving appraisals?

Thanks but it's best if someone else participated with not only your 3 names but others also who have asked for opinions.

These are just opinions (not really appraisals), and perhaps I am mistaken so let's get others also involved.

What ever happened to Mr. N.C. - far and away the number 1 appraiser on these domain forums for a long time?

Appraisal Request

Sorry, I see no value in these 2 names, teethUS.com, tackleUS.com.

An odd coincidence, M.J...

Isn't this amazing, a few days ago I looked at the 2500 or so names you have listed here and amazingly BasketballReport.com somehow stood out. I thought it was one of your top names. I even wrote the name down to mention it if the chance arrived, and it did!

By the way, what do you mean when you say you have all 3000 (or is it 4000) of your names on your own Server? Isn't there a limit of 250 names per Cobalt Server? It seems like 3000 or 4000 on a Server(s) would be cost prohibitive.

Are all the names working websites yet? Do they have content, search engine listings, etc. Thanks for the feedback.

Not so Mr. R., combo-word names are valuable if they are REAL

That is not correct, they are valuable as long as they are real combo-words and also form a popular or well known term, even if its in a small or niche market. That's because of their great targeting value.

They are extremely valuable for type-in traffic and also search engine placement, where real combo-word names will normally rank high just by virtue of the domain name itself.

Lots of people type-in combo words into their browser rather than single words. In fact, combo-words are used by smarter and more experienced web-surfers to a far greater degree than single words.

Of course there is no comparison of real combo-word popularity compared to most worthless names listed at AN, which are usually non-real and mostly made-up words, only good for branding, a very dubious value.

P.S. I am not saying the combo-word name you wrote about (PreferredSource.com) is of value. In my opinion it's not really targeted sufficiently to be of any value.

It's likely worth nothing or at the most a token amount. Combo-word domains must normally be very well targeted to be valuable, this one is not at all targeted. i.e. the preferred source for what??

Solvefast, I see you just became a Member here yesterday.

I also see you appraised your only listing solvefast.com for $40,000. Is this why you joined AN, to try and persuade someone into offering more than a token amount for this name?

Your name has about the same potential of selling for anything near $40,000 as your chance of dating Britney Spears!

You are only saying this because of my appraisal.

If someone else said your SolveFast.com name (as an undeveloped name) was worthless and I said it was worth $400, then you would be negative toward him, not me.

You are also mad due to my post saying I thought the Escrow Service handled my sale extremely well, which is the truth, they did a great job at the time.

Solvefast, that is NOT true. . .

. . .you said to me "Your approach and technique to identify and appraise domain names on this site is both cheap, not specific, non-detailed, etc."

I never appraise a name unless someone requests an opinion and even then I bypass most requests, so as to not unintentionally insult anyone who is sensitive, like you seem to be.

Did you or did you not ask for an opinion of value in your recent post on solvefast.com?? Then why did you make that strange untrue accusation that I went out of my way to identify and appraise your name?

Perhaps you and Mr. J should become partners as you both have recently made odd and unfounded, untrue attacks, for no valid and truthful reasons.

By the way, did I not originally say your name may have value if developed? What was so terrible about that? Even your friend Mr. J only appraised it at $400 maximum.

Another excellent post Mr. R.

Dear R., your words and experiences are so valid. Thanks for sharing your experiences and speaking the truth on the fact most everyone here has nothing but worthless names and they continue to buy them, keeping the registrars in business.

Sorry I criticized your gigantic run-on sentence posts in the past. I was not aware you are apparently new to computers or not good with them, and therefore did not know you press your RETURN KEY for a paragraph break, not your Space Bar which is not for that purpose.

That's right, use the Return Key, not Space Bar.

Mr. Ass, a very true statement. . .

You said "Why would I want to pay $5,000 for SolveFast.com when I can register SolveQuick.com for $10? Not to mention countless other alternatives."

. . . the trouble is few here believe it. You, Mr. R and I know this is so but few others do, or will admit it.

There are zillions of examples like that where someone could register a similar (perhaps better) name than pay $5000 for a name which has many potential variations.

This is one major reason names are so hard to sell. It has also happened to me where someone was interested in a name of mine but I found our ended up registering a similar name because they did not want to pay more than a registration fee.

I agree Mr. R., very true what you said. . .

An excellent post R. There are many posters here who have been trying to convince both themselves and others the value of stupid non-real names.

They do this mostly because they will not face up to the truth that their name portfolios are almost always worthless, with not one name which would ever sell, especially undeveloped.

If they were fully developed then the scenario would not be so grim and some names may be of value.

Many domain investor's refuse to admit the truth about their worthless, brandable only names, and are negative toward anyone who speaks the truth.

I was paid fairly fast and was well satisfied

I sold a name for over $1000 using this sites Escrow about 6-mos ago and was paid with reasonable speed and the entire transaction was handled extremely well thanks to superb domain sales software.

Was very well satisfied with the entire transaction from start to finish on the day I received my check.

It's odd why there are problems now. Could it be the buyers funds wee not cleared or somehow delayed, or the paperwork was somehow botched by someone or by the registrar?

Some registrars like NetSol and Registars.com are very slow and require lots of tricky documentation before they finalize and approve an ownership or registrar transfer and before it shows up in Whois.

However, I agree regarding the complaints about poor customer support. I know they rarely reply to emails, can't be reached on the telephone, and are frequently unresponsive to complaints.

Nevertheless they did handle that domain sale of mine very well, could not have been handled any better!

So called Creative Names is NOT the way to go!

I disagree, the reason over 90% of the names listed here are worthless is because people did exactly what you suggested in your post, being creative registering names, rather than acquiring actual real-names!

Creative names are usually only good for branding purposes, a very dubious value and extremely difficult to market.

However, real names using real phrases and real words can be used for other far more valuable and beneficial purposes, including well-targeted quality type-in traffic, and improving search engine ranking, etc.

Explanation not needed, worthless brandable names

I stand by what I said. I also do not think my post was negative. Did I not say it would have some value if developed.

The truth is Brandable but Non-Real Names are basically worthless, with very rare (one in many millions) exceptions like Yahoo and a handful of others over the years.

Solvefast is a non-real brandable name

Simply another among millions of brandable potential non-real names, a very dubious value.

Even though SolveFast.com consists of 2 real words they are combined into one non-real word and a made-up term.

As such it is extremely unlikely to be worth anything, not even a registration fee. However, if you develop the name and offer the tech support product you referred to on the site, then the website and domain name would have some value.

This is only assuming it's developed and offers a product or service. Simply providing information or knowledge would also be OK. However, undeveloped the name itself is likely worthless.

Godx.com is NOT a real name but a made-up one

The trouble is Godx.com is non-real and the figment of a persons imagination, there is no such term or word. It could only be used for branding purposes, a very dubious value.

This is the problem with almost all names listed at AN. They are not Real Names and are brandable ones only. For a business to brand a name it costs zillions of dollars in marketing expense and time. This is something few firms, especially new ones want to do, especially with the dot com stock collapse starting approx' mid-year 2000.

Brandable names are by definition totally worthless and not worth a $10 registration fee, unless a firm falls in love with a brandable term and must have it. That is very unlikely, almost a zero chance.

The firm wanting to brand a name could easily register a very slight variation of the name rather than buy a name listed for sale. In fact, they could likely find dozens of unregistered slight variations available for registration.

They could probably also easily register a variation that is actually better than the brandable name for sale here they had in mind originally, if they wanted to do so rather than pay to buy a name.

These One Million or so Brandable made-up names listed for sale at AN are basically all worthless. You have a better chance of dating Britney Spears than selling them!

Radios, giant run-on sentence negates Post value

Mr. R., not only is you Post too long but more importantly it displays extremely poor English, grammar and formatting. In particular the formatting, the poorest I have ever seen.

It is one giant run-on paragraph. It should have been split into several dozen paragraphs with line breaks. By making it one huge paragraph it detracts greatly from your words and story and makes people not want to read it.

That is too bad as much of what you said is very true, especially regarding the fact over 90% of the domains reg's are worthless and will never sell in a million years. (By the way, your made-up "O" names are also worthless).

Also, the total futility of registering new names in the new extensions, etc. As we know, the new extensions are coming on board to keep the many registrars in business. The only extension which has a chance to be anywhere as near popular as dot com is dot WEB but that has not been approved yet, unfortunately.

Since you are an Attorney I am really amazed about your very poor ability to write a letter. Your Post is the poorest example of letter writing I have ever seen. I am sorry to say this, but I am thinking if you wrote letters like that regarding lawsuits you were handling I am sure they were negative to your clients case!

Sorry to say a child could easily write better than you. Too bad as it greatly detracted from the overall very true and good things you had to say about the business!

You asked if this Domain Resale Site cares? NO - Doesn't anyone get it?

No, they do not care at all about most everything that you care about, and the reason is very simple. This website recently sold for $48 Million and that was based entirely on its marketing. value, affiliate programs and its great advertising revenue.

The last thing they want to do is ban anyone, stop postings, etc. as by doing that it cuts into their traffic and website hits, which is used to sell advertising space based on the total traffic to the site.

They are believed to get 99% of their revenue from that with basically zero from rare domain sales. In fact, they likely lose money on domain sales due to the overhead involved servicing the few sales.

The more members, multiple-user names, shill accusations, member arguing, controversy, forum/chat postings due to members being annoyed, etc., the more traffic this site gets and more hits and more value to the site itself and their marketing/ad sales revenue.

Do you and others get it now??

Inflated appraisals!

Since there are likely a number of firms named A1Sales (probably a common business name, mostly due to its high rank in the Yellow Pages) in the USA, it may have a little value if an existing firm with this same name happens to want the corresponding domain name, and manages to find it listed for sale here, a very slim chance.

Even then they may not want to pay for the name as a firm with that name is likely a very small operation (Ma and Pa) with little money. Also, keep in mind if they have the name trademarked they can get it without paying anything, if they would bother to do so.

Regarding FullFashions a similar story if there happens to be a business currently operating under that name, but less likely than A1Sales.

Is Registrars.com still in business??

I have been trying to contact registrars.com for the past 2 weeks re their failure to approve some registry transfers from them to my Tucows registry.

They ignore all emails and their normal great customer service (from the past) is non-existent as all phones go unanswered and switched to voice mail boxes, where messages can't be left as the mail boxes are all full. I tried contacting them zillions of times with no success.

Very little value, if any to these names

You said, please help me appraise my portfolio! flatexchange.com, flat-exchange.com, concipio.com, buysharesonline.com.

Sorry, as an opinion, I can see no real value to these names. One in particular is somewhat better than most names at AN but still has dubious value. BuyStocksOnline.com would seem to have much greater value. People buy stocks, not shares.

It seems to have no commercial usage potential

Godx means what? I see zero value in the name. Sorry.

Sorry, your names likely have no value

You said "I wish to sell my entire portfolio and get out of this venture. . .check out my names and decide if they are all combined worth, say, $1500.00. I've had it."

Unfortunately, I looked at all your names and there was not one which (as an opinion) seemed to be worth even the registration fee. Sorry. The best thing you can do is probably to let them expire.

This domain resale firms service was excellent on my last sale here.

Mr. A said: ". . .did anyone receive payments?"

Yes, I received my sale money, $1250.00, fairly quickly from start to finish, on my 1 and only sale via this resale site, out of my approx' 800 listings over a 1-1/2 yr time period!

In defense of the Domain Escrow Service, their service was very good and extremely efficient. The software which handled all phases of the sale was superb and could not have been any better?

I am not defending them in other areas, and find their rule enforcements, responsiveness and email communications (or lack thereof) very poor and in need of extensive improvement.

Domain sales commissions mean nothing!

In another Post Mr. U said ". . .just another attempt to convince the members to Register something or buy something. There seems to be a very Substantial effort put into marketing "TO members members!" (meaning not FOR members & name sales).

Can you blame them for marketing TO members rather than FOR the members? The income they get from the few domain names that sell (for more than peanuts) is meaningless to their bottom line and inconsequential. The high cost of servicing the few sales I am sure makes them a losing proposition overall.

This sites financial success is likely based 99% on sales of related products like new registrations, and advertising/marketing revenue, mostly ad income, affiliate programs and registering new names.

By this sites own admission they have only sold approx' 1000 plus names since they started in business. Most of them for minor amounts and insignificant commission income.

Domain sales are not even a factor in the reported 48 Million Dollars it sold for last year. Even without selling one name this site would have likely sold for $47,900,000.00!

Your names can be taken from you by being listed for sale here!

Mr. NC said in a Post: "Placing domain names on auction is used to prove that a domain name was registered in bad faith. I personally do not put my names on auction here for that reason. . ."

This is a very serious problem few members know about, and one of the reasons I have been trying to get this site to cancel my approx' 800 names on auction for the past 7-mos with no success.

Several times I also asked them to completely close my account under my original name (and the reason I opened an account under a new ID) but they also refuse to close the other account after many months of trying. Obviously, this is because they do not want to lose any accounts and potential business!

The exposure regarding Bad Faith liability was the reason I was afraid to Forum Post under the original identity, or use that name in Chat. Under this new identity I have no names listed. Chat people are always critical as to why I have no names and no bio posted, and suspicious why I have no names listed, now my secret is out and they know why!

I already lost about 15 names when attorneys either actually filed cases, or threatened to file complaints against me with WIPO (aka Swipo) in Switzerland, using as their main evidence of Bad Faith simply having the name listed for sale!

These WIPO complaints only cost $1000, and are like petty cash to large firms that use them to get names. Having a name listed is prima-facia and undisputed evidence of Bad Faith. Meaning the name can easily be awarded to the complaining party based mostly, if not entirely, on it being listed for sale.

I made many errors registering many no value names like others. At least 50% of the 1000 names I have are of little or no value which I will take my loss on and let expire. However, a fair number (perhaps 400 or so) I feel have value as they are real-names, real-words, descriptive and generic.

My names are not non-sensical, made-up, misspelled, and odd names (good only for branding purposes, which branding value is very dubious and almost impossible to market/sell), like most names listed here.

I do not want to give-up some of my good names only based on bad faith reasons by simply listing them for sale at here or elsewhere.

It may be worth the risk if there was a reasonable chance they would sell. But the definite possibility of having the name taken from you by WIPO (a.k.a. SWIPO) is far and away greater than the chance of selling them here.

That's because you may have about as much chance of winning your state lottery as actually selling a name here for anything substantial. So why take the chance of losing a good name(s) with these type of odds against you?

If I continue to lose names due to the Bad Faith of having them listed for sale and the resale firm refusing to delete them, I may decide to file suit for the loss of the name(s). Anyone else had this problem?

How did Mr. NC know about this issue? Did he have names taken by Attorneys claiming Bad Faith like I did? Also, to those negative toward him, NC has has probably contributed more value to AN than any other member what with his zillions of interesting domain appraisals and many forum posts.

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